Collin Martin and Kevin Gordon join Nicole Petallides at the Charles Schwab IMPACT 2025 conference. Kevin says the "TINA" trade is back for data, saying the government shutdown has revealed there is no alternative for data. Kevin points to the retraction trends occurring in manufacturing activity and admits there could be a hit to U.S. GDP when the government ultimately reopens. Collin weighs in on the Fed's outlook and what current conditions mean for its rate-cutting cycle.